ethics reform while you're trying to run for a bigger, higher executive office. at the same time i would say i agree with your first point that i think for most americans, they're not sitting around going i wonder what happened to that michael flynn. he's not part of the white house team right now. it's not a good story when you're still talking about the fact that somebody that you brought on either lied to you or to the other more damning point that you were not as an organization xhent enough to find this out before you brought him on. i think most people are much more concerned with what is the current national security adviser doing than what the former national security adviser who was there for 15 minutes -- >> let's talk about national security. let's talk about the sanctuary city ruling that the judge handed down from the eighth circuit. >> ninth circuit. >> ninth circuit. i'm sorry. >> makes a difference. >> you're right. indeed it does. so what do you make of all this? >> i think as you spoke with -- earlier -- >> becerra. >> you spoke with becerra and also cory booker about what