don't think the wall will ever happen. this means we're at a turning point here and the wall is no longer a sort of real goal for the white house. is that what -- >> i think it might be an analo analogy. >> an analogy, metaphor. >> they say pushing it april to september. that fight will be just as difficult in september. they don't get savings from health care if they don't pass it, tax cuts, how far do you go on deficit, deficit buster. it's a real fight with fiscal conservatives and they don't want the wall. >> what do you make of it? >> fold that in some appoint. >> the big news for people this morning, the tax rate for businesses is going to be lowered if it's up to trump. >> that's an example, that's a real priority that will be backed up by not only what mark was saying, a team around him that's going to advance this, although the hasty way in which they are doing it is problematic but you've also got the will of congress that wants to act on tax cuts.