unrelated. closer relations with ee yipt ayipt -- egypt and the two presidents met and discussed the case, so it was a gesture of good will between egypt and the united states. there's no good will between the united states and north korea. >> so if you were to advise the president, how should he approach this, in particular with the detained americans? >> i think we're just going to have to set that aside. i mean we're going to be doing everything we can, using our other channels to seek his release, to make sure he is treated well, along with the other two americans being held. in the meantime, we have really got to figure out a way in which we can get north korea to the bargaining table to talk about its nuclear program. really, it is going to involve many other countries, china,