anybody who talks about the north koreans being prepared to denuclearize is living in a fantasy world. we're going to have to accept that the north koreans will continue whatever agreement is reached to retain their nuclear weapons. the second parameter of these discussions is this. i cannot believe that any u.s. administration would tolerate a capability of the north koreans to target the continental united states with nuclear armed missiles. so within those two parameters, negotiations are going to have to take place. >> and let's just be clear. with the saber rattling, with the aircraft carrier strike groups from the u.s. that's now steaming toward the korean peninsula, you have both sides flexing their muscles now. if one side was to shoot, the potential consequences on the kore korean peninsula would be