president. i think it's clear that the center of foreign policy decision making is the white house. it's the president. it's jared kushner. steve bannon, the strategist is influenced. there's mcmaster. of all the cabinet officials, the one with the most waieight jim mattis. in the middle east, that reflects his experience and the fact that most of the people on the ground are wearing military uniforms rather than business suits. >> in terms of this administration's foreign policy, whether it's china or egypt today meeting with the president, the administration says president trump will take a private and discreet approach to things like human rights and it's best discussed behind closed doors. do you agree with that? >> up to a point. it's important then that it is discussed behind closed doors that the united states makes whatever points it has. in egypt, for example, it's not clear that this leadership has founded a path of long-term