national security adviser. we've never had a national security adviser accused of anything like this since john poindexter in the reagan years. >> usually they want a bigger fish. >> exactly. >> who's bigger than ham? >> that's right. one of them is the president of the united states that you would think of. i think they're going to build their case more carefully, and over time. and they may eventually give him immunity. but i think it's early. >> david is giving us perspective here. if i can go to my historian here, john. because, you know, you've dealt with watergate. with ekeep bringing up watergate. no one has been prosecuted. no information has been found. but it is huge that he's asking for immunity. all the president's men, right? what about that comparison? to put it in perspective. we're 70 days in and we have a former national security adviser asking for immunity.