all sorts of people. there are still a number of unanswered questions about this. i think this is going to play out over some time. >> david, connect the dots for us. if jared kushner met in his capacity as a businessman before the inauguration, after the election, before the inauguration, where is the deal there? >> well, i think part of the problem is that the trump campaign and the trump transition team and trump white house doesn't disclose. i think a lot of these things would look different if they would just voluntarily disclose. part of what i keep trying to figure out is, is it just a lack of being organized and knowing what the heck they are doing. yes, you've had an extensive business career that's all been legal and aboveboard, that's fine, but now you're in the white house working for the president of the united states