i have expressed these grave concerns with the chairman. i only learned about this the way that all of you did when the chairman briefed the press in advance of briefing his own committee members, and that is a deep, deep problem. i think it does underscore the importance of establishing an independent commission, a body that is fully independent of any political considerations including those that may emanate from the white house. that would certainly give me a lot of confidence that in addition to whatever work our committee does and the senate intelligence committee does, that there is a truly independent body that is looking into the grave issues that have been raised. second, with respect to the intercepts themselves that the chairman referenced, those have not been provided to the committee for evaluation. but on the basis of what the chairman has said and on the basis of my conversation with the chairman, i can say this.