is just -- it's an irresistible impulse. >> ralph steadman: well, to do it i've got to come out with it more, uh -- >> anthony: but it's perfect. >> ralph steadman: boris is our trump. >> anthony: well, they both -- it is a supernova of incredibly bad hair. >> ralph steadman: yeah. >> anthony: i mean, the two of them together. what's happening? what's going on in this country? is it going to be okay? >> ralph steadman: not at the moment, no. >> anthony: does it say anything about the country as a whole? >> ralph steadman: i think it does, perhaps there's been a secret desire to really say, "wait a minute, what would it be like to be a great british isles again?" i was doing this last week just because i can't stand snakes. so i said, "okay i'll do you one." i did one snake last week, started to do this, st. lucia racer snake. ugh, like that. and then the next day we had the referendum. [ laughs ] friday morning when people realized what just happened it was a terrible gloom, it was a sad. i -- we all felt it. >> anthony: this desire to restore england to its former