describe as the most conspiracy minded president, "would be taken aback by what's going on today in terms of this wiretapping claim." explain further what you mean. >> a couple of things. on monday we will get evidence, i suspect, that donald trump tweeted without actually any evidence whatsoever and alleged that his predecessor wiretapped him. this means that we have a president now who is willing to go public with allegations without any information from his intelligence community. that's really bad. and that raises -- >> is there any precedent of other presidents doing something similar? >> we could spend a whole night talking about times where presidents have lied to the american people. the reason we had a credibility vap during vietnam was that lbj, lyndon johnson, didn't tell the truth about how the war was going. >> so this is nothing new. >> it's still bad. it's not something you want to see. what makes this really bad is