figure out is it spam or a trojan horse or malware, getting somebody to click on something that may not be coming from the trump administration or from a hacker who sent the fake e-mail, like the fake e-mail attempts. it is not very natural, it would only come from one bank, and should not go all over the world. it raises questions, there are areas where the story doesn't line up. you know the information doesn't line up from what we expect as normal. >> would you expect -- if computer experts had been able to find this sort of pinging, would they be able to find if there was e-mail trafficking between the bank -- >> potentially, a lookup is one specific type of what we call dnsquery. >> what is dns? >> the way the internet works we