and it also poses a threat. a scandal of this sort can really consume a white house. >> and so, steve, with us on the phone now, while attorney general sessions has recused himself from anything related to the investigation of the russians and involved with u.s. elections, is it your view there needs to be a special prosecutor involved even though there are also committees on capitol hill that need to continue forward with its investigations. is this right for a special prosecut prosecutor? >> yes, i think it's time for some sort of independent mechanism to get involved here. the reason is is because what the russians manage to accomplish in this multipronged influence campaign they were able to conduct during the presidential election could be worse if there was some sort of cooperation or collusion between the trump campaign and the russias. we don't know that. that's why the investigations are going on and that's probably