operation and the base budget. it's 3%. $18 billion. >> has the president got the balance right here between defense spending and the diplomatic portion of the federal budget which he's planning on making cuts to? >> that's the challenge that he and his budget people are going to have to work through. at this point from her perspective, i think speak only for myself, from a national security perspective, this $18 billion is the right thing. if he has to go forward and pick and choose among a variety of programs within what we call a discretionary budget, that's going to be the hard decision that he can discuss, but at the end of the day the discussion will have to be made by congress. >> the question is does this president understand the value of that kind of diplomacy and what -- soft power, that's the question. >> having spent a little bit of time overseas in some conflicted situations, the combination of