hillary clinton was the biggest motivator and unifier for the democratic party, it's a message for president trump to go some ways in terms of unifying their party. but they don't have a message, they don't really have an agenda in terms of what they're standing for. that's what really hurt them in this last election, so many people who were not on either coast didn't hear a message that appealed to them. the bernie message, the hillary message, obviously didn't cut it. >> so, ellis, is the big unifier going to be the going against donald trump? but again, as brian just said, the message leading up to 2016, being against something as opposed to forsom something, is this -- >> the democrats got more votes. more people like that, even that