have in government. this is really the hub of our national security and our foreign policy. and leaving aside this incident, there are also significant reports of nsc staff at the white house. professionals who are dedicating their lives and careers to this. >> what do you think this incident does to the nsc staff? >> there are lots of reports suggesting that the staff was already demoralized because there was no communication. it wasn't being listened to. it wasn't being looped in. i hope very much the next national security adviser takes a different approach. and in particular, most of the staff on the nsc, they are career professionals who are sent over to the white house from other agencies. they check their politics at the situation room door. and so bringing politics into it, is a bad thing. one of the things the next national security adviser should insist on is that he or she does not report to and through mr. bannon. it's totally inappropriate to have a political figure in the