it's the statements that were made and by whom they were made. you know, vice president pence when he was vice president-elect, went on television to defend it. do we have that found clip? all right. i don't think we have that. i mean, went on cbs, essentially -- oh, wait. here we go. >> what i can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the united states took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions. >> now both "the post" and "the times" are reporting flat out, david, that they did discuss sanctions. >> john -- >> go ahead. >> john, i would seriously doubt that there's going to be any legal action against ivanka or kellyanne conway, especially kellyanne conway, or just