base. teachers' unions are pushing for them to go after betsy devos, and labor unions are powerful in the democratic party so it's natural this would be one they would focus on. >> does it have to do with ant - anti-puzder or what puzder represents? >> i think it's both. other nominees would have had an easier time than puzder. because of his financial baggage, his ethics baggage, they've delayed the hearing a number of times, democrats have an opportunity that they wouldn't have had if president trump had chosen someone else that would have been confirmed more easily. >> chances that he'll be withdrawn? >> i will not go there. historically, when people don't make it through the senate, it's typically because they see the writing on the wall and they