for them to drive that base and oppose trump everywhere in order to prevail perhaps somewhere or at least stand on principle. they're playing a longer game now and they're trying to use the senate as ground zero to do it. >> obviously president trump had a fraction of his no, ma'am niece confirmed but there's two different narratives. two different versions of what went wrong here according to the democrats these no, ma'am niece didn't provide background material that the democrats wanted. which one is it? >> it's both and it's in the eye of the beholder but i would say this. i think that there's the notion that democrats can replicate the tea party strategy of obstruction and get away with it and end up 8 years from now with the presidency and supreme court