those are spiritual issues. they've been made political. so what we have like we saw in houston a few years ago where those issues were declared strictly political and pastors had their sermons subpoenaed by government officials. these issues predate government. the church predates government and longstanding tradition in this country has been until the the 1950s when the johnson amendment was added, that pastors and churches can speak freely. this goes back to pastors paul and john, we're accountable to god, not some government bureaucrat. >> okay, final point. i don't think it says this in the good book, but i've heard, be careful what you wish for. have it occurred to perkins, you could be outflanked by liberal nonprofits that then get politically energized? >> michael, i have defended liberal church right to speak when george w. bush's