david, you've been in the oval office listening in with leaders in the past. it's rare that -- is it rare that so many details come out of them like this? >> absolutely. absolutely. very surprising. i don't see reprisals coming from the civil service and intelligence committee. they are angry and upset with the president. >> kelly anne conway saying it' not coming out of the u.s. i'm not sure -- >> it occurred on saturday and leaks on monday. transcripts got around to various people and got on the desk of the service. we said all along, the way that they were alienating various departments, state departments and others, they are going -- somebody is going to bite back. the civil service has a way of retaliating and i assume these leaks have something to do with that. >> not only the least coming out