their opinion is very pro-trump. that's hard to deny. >> ratings through the roof for fox right now. partly as a result of trump's presidency. talk to me about your impressions of the murdochs. you spent a lot of time reporting on this story. what are their views of trump? how does the father, the elder murdoch, rupert, vary from his sons, lachlan and james? >> you're right about ratings. last year, they beat espn in primetime for a news channel. unheard of. there is this big idealogical and political difference between rupert and the sons. the sons are taking over. they will be the future of the company. rupert is very pro-trump. james told friends, we reported this, that he was appalled by his father's promotion of the trump candidacy. >> appalled? >> you expect a some point, if rupert is no longer around and james is running fox solo with his brother by his side, that will be a hard line for fox news to continue to maintain. >> then again, you have a president promoting the channel, tweeting about it, telling people to watch it. he said to abc's david muir, go