this massive blow of humanity. >> what do you think, kimberly, is the take-away from the so-called rift that was on 24 hours with president trump and the mexican president and how that is viewed? >> well, i think other world leaders are looking at that and saying, we better walk on eggshells with president trump, because if he thinks that in any way we're going to go against him, his reaction is going to be outsized and immediate. at the same time, i think people are realizing that this is likely a negotiating tactic that president trump goes high and right in order to just get you to the negotiating take, he sets out an extreme position. and probably the u.s. and mexican president are going to end up somewhere in the middle. and then, of course, the american president will claim that's a victory. >> kimberly dozier, always appreciate your insights.