saying things that the leader doesn't want to hear. and i have to tell you, as someone who worked for the federal government at some point that one of the most chilling things that i learned in the last few days is the effort by the president to tell the national park service what it could and could not provide as information to the american people. we rely on a lot of things, not terribly sexy, sources of information that the federal government gives us, like the unemployment rate. if you start to politicize that -- and in this case -- richard nixon tried to do it but he would always do it through someone else. donald trump does it himself. if donald trump starts putting pressure on civil servants to provide data that is parallel to his reality, we're in trouble. because then we -- >> he said show me pictures to show the media lied. >> but that is the beginning. because what are the american people going to think? they're going to hear from the president of the united states and from the u.s. government that the climate isn't changing, and then if we say it's changing they're going to say we're lying because -- >> you're saying show me pictures, meaning of the crowds and -- >> yeah. he called up the park service, wanted pictures of the crowd --