phone on saturday. wouldn't you like to eavesdrop on that phone call? >> sure. look, we have two things going on at once here. we have a kind of pathology of lying, which is what we're here to discuss i believe, and we also have an enormous amount of presidential activity in the area of policy, some of it perhaps wise, some of it perhaps very unwise. and we need to parse through both. and of course we all want to know what that conversation is going to be about and wheths er putin has a lot to do with his election or doesn't have a lot to do with his election. we're still trying to find out what the exacts of that are. >> whether it starts with thank you and you're welcome. >> we need to do a lot more reporting. and i agree with mr. bannon about that. >> a lot more reporting. do you think we need to shut up and do a lot more listening? listen, blaming the media and this whole adversarial