monuments clause and senator sanders comments reflect this too. and the issue of the conflict of interest laws of the u.s. there is a very specific conflict of interest law. and it very specifically excludes the president and vice president from its coverage. so i think as we go through this discussion we need to keep in mind which it is that we're talking about. again, if you want to talk about alternative facts, noah book binder's comment that trump could have disposed of his assets are not true. his assets are tremendously complicated. and he couldn't have done it. >> what he should have done is to turn over his companies to a trustee, and give the difficult job of figuring out how to dispose of them to that trustee, that kind of thing has been done. it's been done for other officials, it's a kind of thing