>> i do want to put in the record that michael levitt had two rounds. >> he was never education secretary. >> rod page under bush had ten-minute rounds. there is other precedent. that's why my members are asking -- >> i appreciate that, senator murray, and i appreciate that. i'm trying to be fair by treating mrs. devos in the same way we treated both president obama's education nominees. we'll go next to senator cassidy. >> mrs. devos pap thanks. good to see you again. i'm really struck. the kind of reaction your nomination has elicited. so let me just ask some questions. do you support public education? >> absolutely, senator. >> man, that's amazing. you would think some would have us think that you do not.