>> this is the subject that has been debated in the education community for years. and i've advocated growth as the chairman and every member of this committee knows because with proficiency -- >> looking back -- >> -- teachers ignore the kids at the top who are not going to fall below proficiency and ignore the kid at the bottom, no matter what they do will never get to proficiency. i've been an advocate of growth. it surprises me you don't know this issue. mr. chairman, i think this is a good reason for us to have more questions because this is a very important subject, education. our kids' education. and i think we're selling our kids short by not being able to have a debate on it. and i didn't know of any rule about this, you know, everyone gets one question and one other senator gets a question. i don't know where that rule comes from. >> well, i'll tell you where it comes from, senator franken. it comes from the committee