effectiveness. >> so the question of race relations obviously a huge topic for this president right now and in this presidency. and she remarks there, we need to build a country in terms of a boundless promise. you take us back to 2008 where she said i hate diversity workshops. what has he done for race relations in this country? what might she do? >> in terms of what she's done, i would say simply being the first african-american first lady is a pretty enormous contribution, the kind of everyday work of that job, figuring out what the first african-american first lady looks like, sounds like, sending that role model to people. there's actually a tremendous amount of work that went into that. i think the question about the