they found all the reasonable cause they needed to find. i think it is dangerous for folks that aren't legal experts like myself to have this really in depth conversation about the legalities of something. i think it waters it down and takes away from the disgusting, the sickening acts of what happened and i think that's what transpired on the air last night. people were angry on social media saying how could you not say this is wrong? so perhaps we should, i should be looking at it more so -- >> to use the term hate crime. if this was for skin heads doing this to an african-american teenage we are a disability, wouldn't it be fair to call it a hate crime? >> i think yesterday, today it is a hate crime. yesterday on air when it all brokering with didn't have all the details. we were speculating. >> you see it as a hate crime. >> do i. i've seen all the details. regardless, if i think it is a hate crime or not.