showed an extraordinary of harassment from trump supporters because once they started to talk to them, they understood each other. he has a responsibility as leader of the country to suffer the personal attacks on individual journalists from the fair game conversation about whether journalism is doing the job they are supposed to be doing and whether we are faired or biased. i have no problem with that conversation, happy to have it with him personally. but he should not be calling out individual journalists and helping to lead an attack on them as individuals. that's not right. >> kathleen, do you expect this anti-attack strategy to continue, to criticize individuals? >> sure, that sort of thing works for him and for other presidents and not quite like this, he's taken it to a new level as he has in the campaign. but running against the media is out of, you know, page 47 of the