personal i think president obama is trying to figure out a way to show that he's tough. >> jackie, this is personal? right? here is donald trump who ran as the anti-obama and is poised to roll back much of what obama has been able to do. >> of course, it's personal. this quickly becomes not about president obama and how trump reacts to other people. to world leaders that might not like him. to members of congress who don't like him. how he reacts to them and how he sort of like takes a punch and moves on. this could be a major distraction during his administration if he doesn't kind of get a handle on this. need to punch back for every single thing. because this could cause an international incident. it's not out of the realm of possibility. >> going back and forth, trump and obama in terms of this relationship, enemies, sort of friends and then frenemies and