how complicated it is. i find it ironic that it took his meeting with president obama to really sort of open his eyes and to how complicated it's going to be to repeal obamacare. without having anything to replace it with. that's the real problem here, how do you tell 20 million people that you're not going to have insurance anymore and give them no alternative. i think that's the political problem for donald trump and republicans on the hill. is they have nothing, there is no alternative for all of these people who will be without health care. >> donald trump has said, doug, there's not going to be a lapse even of days. he he said that in his "60 minutes" interview right after he was elected. but congressional republicans aren't so definitive about that. how can republicans really make any big changes to obamacare that would allow them to say, hey, we repealed it? >> i think the repeal vote will happen first, and then they'll be a long waiting period. >> before anything takes effect?