some kind of make-believe world. >> reporter: i come back to the simple proposition, if the groups you seem to support from al qaeda to isis were as popular as you claim, why don't they hold elections? why do they have to go around murdering or slaughtering, raping and forcing people into submission? >> for a moment i thought you were talking about guantanamo bay, talking about rape, torture and oppression, but obviously, you are not talking about that. >> democracy hypocrisy. >> reporter: choudary reminds me of marxist idealogues i met in my youth who could explain away anything in their belief system. the anger against america is deep. what is striking, that america remains the obsession of choudary and of so many who have seldom, if ever, been here. ♪ >> reporter: so what happens when a jihadi is one of us? an american? are the reasons he hates us the