should he become secretary of state. joining me on the phone, someone who knows rix tillerson and the oil business extremely well, t. boone pickens. thanks for joining me from the middle of a snowstorm in texas. >> sure, thank you. >> tillerson's nomination has drawn comparisons to dwight eisenhower picking the ceo of general motors for his defense secretary. when asked about conflicts of interest, the man known as engine charlie wilson famously said, for years i thought what was good for our country was good for general motors and vice-versa. do you think rex tillerson subscribes to the same philosophy that what's good for exxonmobil is good for america or do you think he can and will truly separate the interests of big oil and business from the interests of the country? >> first, poppy, i was there, i remember engine charlie. so i do remember.