about is the extent to which they went to try and achieve that goal. >> so evan, just help our viewers understand why circumstantial evidence may be enough to prove that russia is behind this. >> well, i think part of the forensic work that's going on right now, the white house wants the intelligence community to produce enough information that they can disseminate publicly. they will declassify some of the stuff and the obama administration knows that come january 20th, this is a totally different conversation. this is not something the trump administration is likely to do. so we expect that in the next 30 or so days, we are going to see a report that's going to be declassified and provided to members of congress and some of this will be sent out to the public to provide at least a little bit of more context and a little bit more proof because i think matthew is pointing out correctly that a lot of this stuff is being produced by intelligence agencies that are necessarily doing stuff in