she and her husband are the most important people in his circle, among the most important people in his circle. that's very unusual to have a woman, a daughter, be that involved. you don't see that with jenna and barbara bush, who were much younger. in a way, ivanka is uniquely prepared to be first lady because she's been in the press, is used to media attention. >> also the unique nature, most first daughters who assume these roles, the presidents are widowers. melania trump is still expected to have a role in the white house which is why you do wonder what is the division of labor. i don't know if there's a better way of saying that. >> and look, there are first daughters who have performed ceremonial roles in the white house but that's emphatically not what we are talking about here. >> we are talking about more than that. >> an enhanced role beyond that. i don't think, kate can correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think james buchanan's niece was advising him on negotiations about extension of slavery into the territories or something like that. that's not sort of the historical precedent we have.