kremlin talking points -- >> one at a time. >> quite correct at laying the blame at the russian government which has done everything it can do not just to wage this campaign of extermination in east aleppo but to defame the victims by claiming they're lying about it. >> so michael, did you get the pentagon talking points before you came on if i got the kremlin talking points? that's like yesterday gorbachev said to the bbc correspondent steve rosenberg that there is -- orders have been going out to the western media, bbc, cnn and the "new york times" to destroy the reputation of vladimir putin. that's sfoolishness, neither side is pure or good here. >> jump in, jill. >> i think the russians had an objective and that was to rescue assad and the way the russians do that is by taking any action that they'll be they are justified in taking or maybe not