friends and talked all the time. when gerald ford died it was jimmy carter who gave the pri e principal eulogy. the fact that he said barack obama wasn't born in the united states. the fact that he can seem to get along with barack obama now takes some insights and policy wisdom ideas from him. probably helps donald trump settle in a little bit and president obama has a legacy he needs to protect and he might be able to talk donald trump down on a few things. a useful friendship. >> let's talk about that. president obama is trying to help donald trump, despite that terrible bad blood for the years before the election about the birther stuff. but he's also trying to protect his legacy. is there any evidence that president obama will be able to protect his legacy because everything that we've seen is completely opposed to that legacy. >> at this point.