do not have enough experience with the variety of leaders the president has to use. so, that's the question i think we should ask. not the credentials of the individuals. their credentials are terrific. >> the plus side is the strength, the orgizational and the narrow tool box that these gentlemen would have served in service. >> i went around in a minor role in europe dealing with other governments, i understood as i went into embassies and talked with other governments and agencies i understood the trade and the commerce and the other issues of society as you get from that country team. guys like john kelly who commanded south comm, i know him well. he was literally leading a lot of initiatives not only from a military perspective, but a governmental and an economic perspective in south america when he was the south comm commander. they do know a lot more than just the military tools. but i take phil's point that