two-time obama voters in a county that had been blue since i think '72 or '76 and that county flipped and that family flipped and, you know, so i needed to sit down and talk with them. they didn't like some of those inflammatory comments that trump made. they called them crap. they didn't like them. but even though they were distasteful comments on race, they weren't disqualifying for them because they had other issues that weren't being addressed. there are some trump voters, i don't care what anybody says, who were delighted by those kind of racially provocative terms you saw at the rallies, but at the same time i think there's a much, much, much bigger set of voters for whom this was a much more complicated decision. and i think those voters have not been heard from well enough yet. that's why we're doing a special tonight. >> was obamacare the tipping point for them tonight? >> that was a part of it. i think it all adds up. it was the obamacare struggles, some of which i couldn't figure out if it was exactly obamacare or health care in general they