to avoid a financial conflict is insulate and isolate his kids. what do you mean by that? >> they are so deep embedded in his business. he said he would create a blind trust and leave them in charge. but it is not a blind trust if his three eldest children are involved in the business. and also his son-in-law e ivanka trump's husband. candidate for a senior advisory position. and there is going to be a conflation of information between policy making ape rat uses in the white house and trump organization deal making. and there is no real buffer being established between the children, the business and donald trump's white house activities. >> so you are saying the children if they were running the company would not be -- would have to not have any role in the white house at all or any kind of advisory role. >> correct. and they already do. they are on the transition team. ivanka trump has sat in on meetings with foreign dignitaries and diplomats. jared kushner's has already been