>> i think it is true that these people are -- he did specifically attack goldman sachs. hillary for ties to goldman sachs. ted cruz for ties to goldman sachs. claiming that goldman sachs owned ted cruz. so i think perhaps he should address this. what does this mean. but i also see your point, it does depend on what they do in terms of policies and and steve mnuchin has said it's going to be across the board tax cuts so we have to wait and see the actual policy. >> supporters of the steve minuchin is that he hasn't leld government office so he's not held as a washington insider though clearly he's a financial insider. >> there are a lot of kind of insiders american people don't care for. people in the republican primary who thought because i've only been a governor, i've never been to washington i don't count. and if you are scott walk ore the jeb bush voters see you part as the political class.