obviously struck me as being what looked like maybe someone of student age, being led out in handcuffs. you don't want to read too much into it, as deb very well cautioned. what do you see there? >> i think deb is probably right on. if that was a suspect you would have a lot more law enforcement around him. a lot of times what will happen is in certain situations, when they clear an area, they will go ahead and cuff somebody until they can actually clear that specific individual person. now, somebody had mentioned this particular incident is contained. it might be contained but it definitely is not resolved yet. you still have a lot of s.w.a.t. team members milling around outside of this building so whatever's going on seems to be centered in this specific building and you see more s.w.a.t. team members showing up and positioning themselves, and i don't know if -- there could be negotiation going on right now with a particular individual and s.w.a.t. team is setting up around the area, but there doesn't seem to be any immediacy