i remember luntz saying to me, i'm going to ask him about john mccain. i want to see what he's going to say. he got it. he knew that was going to happen. >> i think it was the iowa state fair you cited as the moment when you realized or saw the reception, the rock star reception that donald trump was getting? >> yeah, we were walking around the fair and you could see these throngs of people. is this just the celebrity appeal? are they coming to see donald trump or are these people here because they see something in this candidate that perhaps we in the media elite so to speak, don't. and there was a sign where i was walking around with him, and i had a chance to be close to him for much of it, as he was in the tent eating a pork chop. he would look to me and say, jeremy, have you ever seen a crowd like this. this is my first campaign i'm