other classic republican support i think it's clear absent there being some real criminal misdoing or something that looks so bad it will retard his efforts, he's going to take his chances and be unconventional. >> it is interesting how it seemed that -- how important loyalty is to donald trump. >> yes. >> we've seen this time and time again. we learned this on the campaign trail. we're seeing it. rudy giuliani was an early backer of donald trump. and part of any transition is rewarding those people who have been loyal, whether it's -- >> that's right. >> good or not. >> there is nothing unusual here about what's going on. donald trump is in the moment of putting his stamp on the government of the united states. it's going to be a trump government. that's the way it works. the old saying from the andrew jackson days goes, to the winner goes the spoils. this is how it works. >> kuchner at the center of this in fighting, that people describe things as a knife fight, clearly a purging of chris christie.