believe that rudy giuliani at least for now is the favorite for the job. he's made it clear that's the job he wants. i do think it is the trump campaign's attempt or the transition team's attempt to send a signal, look, we know we need to try to build a government. we know that's going to involve bringing in thousands of people and that some of those people may have been critical of trump in the past, but we really want the best people for this job. even on that front, other people who have dealt with the transition effort say they're still getting mixed signals and there is still a lot of animosity toward people who did not support trump at the outset. >> he has about 4,000 political appointees he has to find. >> could i say one thing to what sara was saying. it's absolutely right, about people not supporting donald trump. there is another problem and that's the reverse. donald trump ran on some things that are very antithetical to what had been the traditional republican credo. because of the very big change, for example, since the george w. bush administration, and when she is talking about hank