she came from new york. she went to simmons college. she came from a large family. that was very important to her. her father was a minister, an ame minister. but gwen had a very big career before she came to tv. i knew her in the late '90s when we shared an office at nbc. but she was a newspaper reporter. she worked at the baltimore sun, she worked at "the new york times." and she brought those reporting skills with her. to watch her prepare for an interview -- >> gloria was saying the debate -- >> to watch her when she did the debate with former vice president dick cheney and jon edwards, she read everything. she did everything. she was meticulous. she was a role model as a person and as a friend, but her reporting was just impeccable. >> jamie and nia and gloria, just thank you all so much.