there was a conspiracy or could they find a conspiracy if in fact there was no evidence that this was a form of punishment to this new jersey mayor. the judge came back and said yes, you can determine there was a conspiracy because what is at issue here is did these two conspire to misuse government resources. so now these two individuals, bridget kelly, bill barone, their lawyers asked for a mistrial and it is likely the two of them will appeal. kind of a blow to governor chris christie, who has denied any knowledge of this. but during this trial, at least five witnesses, some of them very loyal to the governor, actually said he was aware of these lane closures and that it was being done because of the actions of the mayor who refused to endorse him. so this continues. governor christie leading up donald trump's transition campaign should he become president. >> so deb, on that point because this is what people are asking, these two defendants found guilty. both defendants said actually,