was looking at these e-mails frankly doesn't seem to be a lot of there, there. >> that's a real conversation. jim sciutto. thank you very much. joining us now our panel. borger, bernstein, his books included, "a woman in charge:the life of hillary clinton." i does reinforce the narrative. hillary clinton knew her e-mail server was wrong and when she got caught her aides, she tried to conceal it. her aides wanted to conceal it. >> it sure does. and it is a bad story line for her. it continues. and it hasn't seemed to move the needle at all anderson. and maybe it is because it is a little bit at this point, at this late in the game like saying oh there is gambling gong on here in casablanca. sure. of course hillary clinton plays by a different set of rules and the people who aren't going vote for her because of the e-mail have already decided to dismiss it.