eight, nine points, et cetera. i know you hate when i do anecdotes. >> go. >> on saturday when i had the day off, i took good old mom, put her in the car, got the halloween pumpkin 20 miles out in the countryside. there were trump signs everywhere. i saw ones, one hillary sign. now, anecdotal, but i'm trying to understand the polling data as, in relation to the -- >> what you're seeing out there. >> what i'm seeing on the ground. the last time i saw that much effort for one candidate was 2008, they were all obama sides. >> christine, this terry mcauliffe story, this guy was not in charge of the investigation when the donation was made to his wife. he was later, i guess, elevated. >> right. >> how serious do you think this is? >> look, terry mcauliffe is an intelligent guy. there's no way around that. he doesn't have some kind of esp where he can figure out -- >> he's a very close friend of the clintons. >> he gave a donation in relevance to where somebody was. i'm not saying he couldn't be so